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 Post subject: Setup
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 17:05:58 
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Hy guys,

What is better Hard Oil/Soft Springs or Soft Oil/Hard Springs ?
I think my Car is going really good. But on the other Side i think the Car is Slow (sluggish) and sometimes i think the Car understeer. I use always Seep EXP Evo 36 Tires but in Hot Conditions the Tires overheat fast.

xform/index.php?act=view&ID=373&setup=t4_2015

This is my Setup. I dont know why many Drivers Raise the Upper Deck. I think the Car is going better without raise the Top Deck and less flex. And many Drivers says in Stock is Important to have loose Belts but i think with more thighten the Belts the car goes more forward. I would like more forward traction, more roll less sluggish feeling. And less understeer. But
I hope some Drivers can help me ?

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 Post subject: Re: Setup
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 08:18:21 
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 Post subject: Re: Setup
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:19:38 
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I always remember being told (though I forget by who)

'Springs control how much (movement), dampers control how fast'


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 Post subject: Re: Setup
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:23:47 
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When I've raised the upper deck it just made the car nicer to drive.

If you want more direct steering and don't want flex, try running the layshaft screws with the steering plate and post and remove the centre post.

Have you tried progressive springs?

Perhaps try softer damping to reduce heat in the tyres with progressive springs etc.

Skiddins


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 Post subject: Re: Setup
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 16:25:51 
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Based on your setup, you will always have a few issues.

1. 1.4 rear bar is too thick. Im assuming you have them setup backwards on the sheet and are running the stock bars. Try a softer front and rear. Most run a 1.3 front and 1.2 rear for asphalt.
2. This tire and car usually likes more camber. At least run 2 - 2.5. front and rear.


I dont think the tires will overheat unless its really hot if set up correctly. We just used this tire and it was 90 degrees outside. No issues with overheating in mod on a tight track with a long straight.


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 Post subject: Re: Setup
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 20:54:03 
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Thank you guys for the Replys.
I will test it soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Setup
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 22:26:49 
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Can someone help me.
With my Setup that i posted in this tread i have understeer. I have test a lot but i have always a little bit understeer.
How i can resolve this ?

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 Post subject: Re: Setup
PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 23:29:27 
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Have you tried any of the suggestions we have made yet?


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 Post subject: Re: Setup
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 05:28:29 
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Based on your setup sheet, I have some suggestion.

1) Roll Center : Move both FF and FR in bottom position of Eccentric Bushing. It will help a lot of under steering.
2) Anti-Roll bar : F 1.3 and R 1.2
3) Front upper shock position : from hole 3 to hole 2
4) Front camber link "Inner" Shim : From 2mm to 1mm

This setting should be come from Alex and Bruno in general. You can modify based on your track condition.


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 Post subject: Re: Setup
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 05:32:01 
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Winning setup sheet for 2014/15 ETS Round 5 from Bruno for your reference.

xform/index.php?act=view&ID=369&setup=t4_2015


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 Post subject: Re: Setup
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:17:52 
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Thank you Guys !

I have try the 1.2 Rollbar in the Rear i think its better.
And i have change the Shock Oil from 550 to 400.
But i think with 550 its more direct.
With the 400 Oil i have more Tire Wear.

I will try to change the Piston to 3 Holes 1.1mm with 350 Oil.
And i will go back to 2000 Rear Diff with 5000 the Rear End its a little bit loose.
With the 2000 Oil i can push more out of the Corner.

I fight always with a little bit understeer. I miss every time more turn in. I think its possible that from the Solid Axle in the Front. I will try a Diff with 1 Million or Putty in.


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