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| Author: | Dan p [ Mon Oct 30, 2006 14:38:06 ] |
| Post subject: | About XB8 TQ front upper arm position |
Hi all ,i just finished the car and would like to know how does the front upper arm position effect the car handling? Thanks Dan |
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| Author: | Keith [ Mon Oct 30, 2006 19:45:02 ] |
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I did a quick search and found this thread, it talks about forward or back on the arm position. is this the position you are curious about? viewtopic.php?t=4350 |
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| Author: | Dan p [ Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:27:08 ] |
| Post subject: | about the front upper arm |
i am talking about the upper front arm not the lower arm. |
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| Author: | X-rated [ Tue Oct 31, 2006 20:43:16 ] |
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that would be your front roll center your´re talking about than. it should be explained in your instructions manual. take your time and read it i know i did. just every know and then i pop that manual out and start reading it just to understand perfectly what is what and the effect of changes. 
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| Author: | Dan p [ Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:04:51 ] |
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| Author: | Asterix [ Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:24:46 ] |
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| Author: | X-rated [ Wed Nov 01, 2006 14:27:24 ] |
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| Author: | Keith [ Wed Nov 01, 2006 20:58:22 ] |
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| Author: | Rocco Margiotta [ Wed Nov 01, 2006 22:12:15 ] |
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As Keith said, you want your suspension to be free, so move it up and down a few times so the upper arms find a 'neutral' position, then insert the clips to take up the slack without moving the upper arms from this neutral point. But to directly answer your question, the upper arms don't really do anything on our car... On pivot ball cars they set the caster (angle of the steering block in relation to a line perpendicular to the surface) when you move them back and forth. BUT, on our car you set the caster with with the eccentric pin holders that go in the outside of the front arms. But when you set the caster you have to slide the upper arm in the appropriate position to insure that the mechanism doesn't bind, which is what the gap and caster clips are for. If you slide the upper arm back without adjusting it will just bind the suspension without changing caster... I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any further inquiries. |
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| Author: | PAPA [ Thu Nov 02, 2006 03:01:24 ] |
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| Author: | nitroracer [ Thu Nov 02, 2006 17:10:09 ] |
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| Author: | Rocco Margiotta [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 00:55:59 ] |
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| Author: | nitroracer [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 01:25:59 ] |
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| Author: | Rocco Margiotta [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 21:05:55 ] |
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When you change the front of the front upper arm independently of the rear of the upper arm you are altering the angle/relation to the lower arm. If this angle matches and you just change one end of the front upper arm, you are just taking it out of line with the lower arm, and yes it will change the roll center if you want to get really technical about it. To change the front roll center, you have to change the eccentric mounts the same amount. Example, you're running 1's down in the rear of the front upper arms and 0's in the front of the front upper arms, to change the roll center you would have to go to 0's in the rear of the front upper arm, and 1's up in the front of the front upper arm. This can also be done to change the roll center in the front lower arm. The main thing is you HAVE to change them the same amount front and rear, and not independently. In short, altering the height of the front upper and lower arms without changing the angle between them will alter the roll center. |
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| Author: | nitroracer [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 22:05:56 ] |
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Ok that makes sense. But answer this question for me. I was running 1s up in the front of the upper arm and 1s down in the rear of the upper arm. Then I changed to zero in the front of the upper arm and zero in the rear of the upper arm. So the height at the front of my upper arm was lowered but the height at the rear of my upper arm was raised the same amount. Did my roll center change? (Of course I made the necessary change to the kickup angle in case you were wondering.) |
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| Author: | Rocco Margiotta [ Sun Nov 05, 2006 03:52:44 ] |
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| Author: | ajoiner490 [ Sun Nov 05, 2006 06:53:51 ] |
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| Author: | daveg [ Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:20:39 ] |
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the roll center will come from the centre of the upper arm..so as long as that point remains the same height then the roll center will remain the same regards wether the rear is higher or lower but as has been said,you have to try to match the angle of both the upper and lower pins,i use a vernier to measure the distance between the upper and lower pin at the front and rear of both pins,this gives you an accurate reading of what the upper eccentric bushings do inregards to the relationship with the lower arm. dave |
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| Author: | Rocco Margiotta [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 19:42:54 ] |
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| Author: | Keith [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 20:17:38 ] |
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