Bonny, that was just info for the others
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| Author: | martin t [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 22:05:13 ] |
| Post subject: | more grip |
Hi i was at a very large indoor track on carpet. I was running a t3 2012 with kit setup with 450 oil all around the track had big sweepers and a tight hairpin section. we was using sorex 32 which made the track low to medium traction. the problem was i needed to generate alot more overall grip in the car. there was no hint of traction rolling by anyone. I need to have alot more grip in the front of the car with being able to direction change fast in the hairpins and also increase corner speed with less push on exit. any ideas on setup to get more grip would be verry helpfull thanks. |
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| Author: | Arran turner [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 23:16:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
Please post your setup so we can see where your going wrong, maybe try raising your front shocks for now. |
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| Author: | martin t [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 00:06:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
2012 kit setup with 450 oil |
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| Author: | Ruben_qlc [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 01:26:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
I think the grip not depend of setup, it dependes of tracks conditions. You can get more steering, power, etc. changing the setup of the car. Tires and track is what let grip to performance. I too think you have to pute the setup for suggestions. Regards. |
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| Author: | Skiddins [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 02:38:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
He did say it's the standard kit setup, the only difference was 450 oil. Martin, where did you end up (I'm assuming EWS), I made the C Final last time but struggled badly today) Skiddins |
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| Author: | Martin Hudy [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 09:58:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
Hi, to get more traction, put 350 shock oil, 2.8 springs in the front and 2.6 in the rear (When is very low traction, I sometimes use 2.6 in front and 2.4 in the rear) Than 1.3 anti roll bar in the front. For sure, use short upper linkages (the outside hole on the upper bulkheads) This will give you more steering in the front and more traction in the rear. Let me know if it helps |
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| Author: | martin t [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:37:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
Cheers martin will try this. Also I forgot to say that I didn't have foams in shock, would this help? And I was thinking of putting 2 piece suspension holder in front for more flex. What are your thoughts on this? |
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| Author: | martin t [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:45:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
Hi skiddings yes it was ews. It was my first time this season and was well of the pace in the tight section. People that I am usually close with at other tracks was 0.7 seconds a lap quicker. I could feel I needed a lot more grip and a mate watched my car and said it was lacking bite compared to other cars |
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| Author: | Bonny [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:02:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
Hi Guys I was running the t3-12 yesterday at ews, i was 5th overall in the end, and the car was very good, with better driving i could have been a bit higher up i felt. Anyway i was standard to kit setup except: 450cst Shock Oil All Round, with 50% rebound 1000cst gear diff oil Short Rear Link Front Shocks one hole in (laid down) Rear shocks two holes in (laid down) Speed 6 Shell HPI Silver Front Springs (Same as 2.8??) HPI Blue Rear Springs (same as 2.6??) Tyres where cleaned with brake cleaner, and then used lrp additive, full rear for 30 minutes, full front for 20 minutes I will get my full setup posted on here in time for round 4 (in case i have missed anything) (not sure if i will get a chance this week.....) Thanks Mark |
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| Author: | Martin Hudy [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:09:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
Martin, If you put two piece, you will get more steering, but you can break the chassis if you hit the board hard. Forgot to say, if you want more traction, use longer additive on tires. When is low traction, I use LRP carpet additive, 1 hour in the rear and 20 minutes in the front. |
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| Author: | Martin Hudy [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:12:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
There is no point to use HPI silver and blue as they are same hardness as our 2.8 and 2.6. We check every single spring in our company and match them. This means that you get exactly same springs in the kit. This nobody else do and I had a chance to check HPI springs and each of them was slightly different hardness. |
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| Author: | Bonny [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:15:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
| Author: | Martin Hudy [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 13:01:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
Bonny, that was just info for the others
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| Author: | martin t [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 15:22:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
Martin I ran the t3 2010 with the 2 piece front suspension holders for a year with no problems and I liked it better than the 2011 with the one piece in. So it's something I would like to try. And thanks guys for all your input I have many things to try for the next round now |
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| Author: | Bonny [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 01:02:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
Hi Martin My setup from the weekend has been uploaded to the setup sheet database Thanks Mark |
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| Author: | stevtec86 [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 15:04:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
sorry for my question: (OT) for an asphalt runway at low tension, since you should set the total length of the shock absorbers (tip)? I've set them all 4 to 63.00 mm. There is a table, says that the recommended length of the shock absorbers, for carpet and asphalt tracks in the second of the track is low, medium or high traction? (A bit like the rebound) Than'k reply and sorry for the offtopic yet |
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| Author: | Skiddins [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 15:11:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
| Author: | martin t [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 18:09:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
@bonny cheers for that i have saved it on my mobile. @skiddings yes mate, but hopefully we will improve at the next round with these tips. |
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| Author: | martin t [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 18:10:37 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
corrected (skiddins) |
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| Author: | Martin Hudy [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 18:40:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: more grip |
Shame that I can not be everywhere, otherwise I would come and help you guys
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